In this episode we are covering a very important discernment discussion on a popular couple who is deceiving so many people around the world. Their names are John and Lisa Bevere, and Michelle Lesley recently sat down with our good friend Dave Jenkins on his podcast called Contending for the Word to talk about why you shouldn’t be following these false teachers. Dave has graciously allowed us to bring this episode to our audience because many women follow the Beveres.
What You’ll Hear on This Episode
- Concerns about John’s understanding of biblical repentance
- What biblical repentance entails and means for the non-Christian and the Christian.
- The dangers of deliverance ministry and why this teaching is so concerning.
- The dangers of “legal rights” and the security the Christian has because of Christ.
Resources:
Leaving the NAR Church: Dylan’s story – Amy Spreeman – Berean Research
Transcripts are available at our YouTube channel and on the Apple Podcasts app.
Thank you, bless you and Walk Worthy!
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Agreed, but as to what the Bible states, have you guys confronted them? Showed them via scripture the mistakes made?
Hi Ben- Please see #1 here and listen to our episode “But did you go to him in private?” A look at Matthew 18.
I have hears very different messages from the Bevere’s than what you presented as well as interpreting them very differently. I do, however, appreciate your message as there are many false gospels out there that have been very deceptive hurting the church.
Hi Dawn- Thank you for your kind words. Yes there certainly are, and the Beveres are in that group. I have recently written an article that goes into far more detail about the Beveres and their heresy. (You can find it here.) It’s important to remember that Scripture – not our opinions or interpretations – determines whether or not someone is a heretic (and I’m using that term biblically, not in a haphazard or exaggerating way). And according to Scripture, the Beveres are heretics with whom Christians who want to be obedient to God’s Word should have nothing to do.
I came across this podcast as I have been searching for information about John Bevere. I have looked into the teachings of some of his books and have read part of his blog. I then proceeded to look for those who have issue with him to see what their challenges to John Bevere and his teachings are. My quick conclusion is as follows:
Michelle and Dave are lacking discernment and obviously have no experience with real spiritual warfare and the leading of the Holy Spirit. God does speak outside of Scripture to those who seek to hear Him and who quiet themselves to hear His voice, with caveats as to how to discern His voice. Demonic entities cannot possess a Christian, but they can attach themselves to Christians through the things that we do, the people that we associate with and the places that we go, and they need to be removed through the proclamation of the Name of Jesus and claiming authority over the demons that have attached themselves to Christians. And God gives his people visions, even shared visions; I have witnessed it personally.
There is just far too much to cover for me to try to do so in this comments section, but it sounds to me like Michelle and Dave are living empty lives of walking the Christian walk, working in their own power, while lacking the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit. I recognize this because this is the same way that I walked for most of my life until God showed me that there is a better way.
I started listening to this podcast unsure of what I thought about John Bevere and his teachings; I am leaving this podcast, unfinished, understanding that those who are blindly groping about in their faith walk thinking that they are capable of leading the blind (Michelle and Dave) are in opposition to John Bevere; that inclines me towards John, not away from him.
I fully expect this comment to not get published in order to protect the ‘ministries’ of Michelle, Amy and Dave.
Chris, I’m publishing this comment, not in response to your false accusations and attempt at reverse psychology, but because I care about you and want to try to help. It is clear from your comments that you, like the Beveres, have been deceived by New Apostolic Reformation heresy, which is why you side with them over and against Scripture. I pray that the Lord will open your eyes to the truth of His Word.
If you’d like some help getting out of the deception you’re in, may I humbly suggest:
1. Go to our Good News! tab and carefully and prayerfully go through the materials there to make absolutely sure you’ve repented of your sin and believed the biblical gospel.
2. Find a doctrinally sound church to join.
3. These episodes will give you a biblical understanding of the false doctrines you’ve mentioned/evidenced:
What is the New Apostolic Reformation?
Our multiple episodes on discernment will help you understand how the Bible defines and describes discernment and how to practice it.
God Doesn’t Whisper and God Doesn’t Whisper to Me, Either
Our multiple episodes on the sufficiency of Scripture will help you understand what God says about how He speaks to us.
For a biblical understanding of demon possession and deliverance ministry, we would refer you to the episodes that deal with this topic from our friends Justin Peters, Chris Rosebrough, Doreen Virtue, and Dawn Hill.
If the Lord graciously opens your eyes and you have genuine questions about repenting and finding doctrinally sound teaching, you’re more than welcome to comment again, and we will be glad to try and help. But, out of obedience to Matthew 7:6, we will not publish or answer any further argumentative comments or comments advocating for false doctrine or false teachers. I’ve taken a moment to pray for you.♥️